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Edward Prentice of Thetford and East Wretham, Norfolk, England
By Linus Joseph Dewald Jr., Editor
Spring 2011 and Revised 4 Feb 2011

Dale J Gatherum-Goss, Email: dalensue@bigpond.net.au, in his emails of 1 Feb 2011, generously provided the Prentice family tree set out below for Ann Prentice of East WrethamNorfolks, which is a few miles to the north-east of Thetford, so small it may not appear on a a viewer's map. A tentative family tree is as follows:

1. Edward Prentice may have been b. in the 1750s, perhaps in East Wrentham, Norfolk, where his daugher, Ann was born.

He m. Eleanor according to the christening record of his daughter, Ann. They had 1 or more children, including:

Ann Prentice, chr. 19 Apr 1778, East Wrentham, Norfolk, England. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . [2]

2. MARY ANN1 PRENTICE was b. 19 Apr 1778 in East Wretham, Norfolk, England, and d. 25 Jan 1854 in East Harling, Norfolk, England.

She m. SAMUEL ELENOR. He was born in 1771 in Old Buckenham, Norfolk, England, and d. 7 Jan 1855 in East Harling, Norfolk, England.

Notes for Mary Ann Prentice: There is a Harriet Prentice, daughter of Ann Prentice born in East Wretham on 25 Nov 1798. She made her mark as the informant and as present at his death.

Death Notes:

Mary's daughter in law, Susan (probably Susanna Bloomfield, wife of Henry Elmer, below), made her mark as being the informant and present at Mary's death.
Death cert confirms that Mary was the wife of samuel Elenor, labourer.
Notes for Samuel Elenor:

Samuel Elenor and Mary Ann Prentice had the following children:

(perhaps) HARRIET PRENTICE, daughter of an Ann Prentice born in East Wretham on 25 Nov 1798.
GEORGE ELENOR was born in 1801 in Norfolk, England (based on age at burial). He died on 5 Oct 1867 in East Harling, Norfolk, England. In one of his marriages, George notes that his father was Samuel Elener.
SAMUEL ELENOR was born on 7 Nov 1806 in East Harling, Norfolk, England. Samuel possibly went to Ontario Canada as there is a fellow who died there, born in Norfolk abt 1806. Further follow up required.
MARY ANNE ELMER was born on 22 Nov 1808 in East Harling, Norfolk, England. She married DANIEL MARJORAM on 19 Dec 1825 in Norwich, Norfolk, England. He was born in 1804. He died in Jun 1884 in Yarmouth, Norfolk, England.
HENRY ELMER was born on 11 Mar 1811 in East Harling, Norfolk, England. He died on 18 Nov 1854 in East Harling, Norfolk, England. He married SUSANNA BLOOMFIELD on 22 Jun 1833 in Coney Weston, Suffolk, England, daughter of Zephaniah Bloomfield and Mary Plummer. She was born on 12 Jan 1814 in Coney Weston, Suffolk, England. She died on 12 Jan 1857 in East Harling, Norfolk, England (White Hart Street). . . . . . . . . . . . . [3]
DANIEL ELMER was born on 7 Nov 1815 in East Harling, Norfolk, England.
ELLEN ELMER was born on 18 Apr 1819 in East Harling, Norfolk, England. She married STEPHEN BROCK on 27 Oct 1844 in East Harling, Norfolk, England. He was born in 1794 in England (based on age at marriage).

3. HENRY ELMER (Mary Ann1 Prentice) was born on 11 Mar 1811 in East Harling, Norfolk, England. He died on 18 Nov 1854 in East Harling, Norfolk, England.

He married SUSANNA BLOOMFIELD on 22 Jun 1833 in Coney Weston, Suffolk, England, daughter of Zephaniah Bloomfield and Mary Plummer. She was born on 12 Jan 1814 in Coney Weston, Suffolk, England. She died on 12 Jan 1857 in East Harling, Norfolk, England (White Hart Street). The informant was was her daughter, Harriett, who was present.

The Suffolk marriage index indicates that Henry was of Euston when he married Susan Bloomfield. Euston is next-door to Barnham and is another one of the parishes that meet at Rymer Point. Both Henry & Susanna made their mark on the marriage registry book. The wedding was witnessed by Michael Whitaker and William Jonham and performed by Watson Joseph Thornton (Curate). The banns were read on 26 May by WH Thornton; and on 2nd June and 9th June by the Rector G. Hunt.

Henry Elmer and Susanna Bloomfield had the following children:

GEORGE ELMER was born on 14 Dec 1834 in Rymer, Suffolk, England (This is the christening date). He died on 16 Jun 1885 in Murmungee, Victoria, Australia. He married MARY ANN JESSUP on 15 Feb 1856 in East Harling, Norfolk, England (Parish Church), daughter of Unknown and Maria Jessup. She was born on 25 Sep 1836 in Norwich, Norfolk, England. She died on 17 Jul 1917 in Six Mile, Victoria, Australia.. . . . . . . . . . . . . [4]
SAMUEL ELMER was born on 26 Feb 1837 in Barnham, Suffolk, England. He died on 11 Sep 1853 in East Harling, Norfolk, England.
HARRIETT ELMER was born on 22 Jul 1838 in Rymer, Suffolk, England (per Christening register). She died on 06 Jan 1862 in East Harling, Norfolk, England. She married (1) THOMAS TILLOTT RUST on 22 Jun 1861 in East Harling, Norfolk, England. He was born on 03 Apr 1831 in East Harling, Norfolk, England. She married (2) UNKNOWN. . . . . . . . . . . . . [5]
ZEPHANIAH ELMER was born on 04 Oct 1840 in East Harling, Norfolk, England. He died on 02 Dec 1861 in East Harling, Norfolk, England. At home in the 1841 census. Notes for Zephaniah Elmer: Zephaniah was 8 months old at the time of the 1841 Census.

4. GEORGE ELMER (Henry2, Mary Ann1 Prentice) was born on 14 Dec 1834 in Rymer, Suffolk, England (This is the christening date). He died on 16 Jun 1885 in Murmungee, Victoria, Australia. George was illiterate. On the shipping records he was noted as being able to read only. An old photo of george, as remembered by Ivy Elmer, his grand daughter, showed him as very tall with thick black hair and a beard. The 1858/1859 rates book (entry no. 686) at Beechworth says that George was an owner and occupier of the land with a building at Spring Creek of Newtown. The rateable value was 8 shillings. We also found a similar entry for the following year but the rateable value had dropped.

He married MARY ANN JESSUP on 15 Feb 1856 in East Harling, Norfolk, England (Parish Church), daughter of Unknown and Maria Jessup. She was born on 25 Sep 1836 in Norwich, Norfolk, England. She died on 17 Jul 1917 in Six Mile, Victoria, Australia. James Adam's may or may not be Mary Ann's father as she used her mother's maiden name of Jessup on some of her documents.

Also, there was a Mary Ann who was "Base Born" according to the Hockham Parish registers: from:the Hockham Parish Register and have the following: Mary Ann, Base Born, 25 Sept 1836 Bapt 5 March 1837. Mother Maria Jessup. Maria and James were not married until 25 December 1836 This would be why Mary Ann insisted she was a JESSUP. On the shipping records she was noted as being able to read only. If we have the right Mary Ann in the 1851 census (I am yet to be 100% convinced) she went to a girl's school run by Hannah Larke at Cow Hill, Norwich, St Giles which is where she can be found at the 1851 census.

George & Mary Ann came to Australia on the ship, "Arthur the Great" in 1856 and were both noted as natives of Norfolk, England and being of the CoE. They came out under the "Assistance" scheme for British immigrants. George was employed by the Botannical Gardens when he arrived from England at an initial rate of pay of 8/0.

On the shipping records she was noted as being able to read only.

Mary Ann's grand daughter, Ivy Elmer, remembered Mary Ann as a very quiet person who rarely spoke about her life in Norfolk and who looked like Queen Victoria...short and with a similar figure. Her grand daugher, Ivy Elmer, said that Mary Ann spoke of the horror of the Crimean War.

Mary Ann & George travelled to the Beechworth goldfields via horse & dray. They were amazed at the size of the town (mainly canvas tents) and later travelled over the Buckland Gap to Murmungee (6 or 7 miles away) where they built a home and became dairy farmers. The house was a 4 room house. 3 bedrooms and 1 front room. The house faced west and later a similar house was built about 3 feet from the back facing south. Ivy remembered a table in the front room covered with red plush velvet with a bobble fringe all around it. On the table was photos of the family taken when they were young.

They cleared some trees and planted an orchard. Mary Ann lived on this property until she died. They also kept fowls, geese, ducks, turkeys and 2 beautiful peacocks which never seemed to sleep. A fair amount of shillings. We also found a similar entry for the following year but the rateable value had dropped to 7 shillings.

A fair amount of oats and barley was grown and stored for the animals in times of drought or severe winters.

Mary Ann loved feeding the poultry wheat & maize both night & morning. Mary Ann had only one holiday.... a week in Melbourne which she did not enjoy. She also kept doves, a cockatoo, a parrott, and a magpie along with her cat and horses. When Mary Ann's daughter, Harriet, died, she took one of the chidren (Barbara) in to live with her. She also took in Sam 's(Moses Samuel Elmer) children after the house fire and Frances left. Mary Ann would have been in her 60's by then.

Mary Ann bought a gramaphone (His Masters Voice) which was the first in the district and neighbors from all around came to hear it. Mary Ann did not visit others very much at all...not even her daughter who lived 10 minutes walk away. Mary Ann's kitchen was a large one in the winter she used to sit by the fire in her rocking chair and in summer, by the door for the breeze. Mary Ann did not like the girls crossing their legs when they sat down; nor liked the children to whistle.

The 1903 Electoral Roll shows Mary Ann living in the Murmungee area with an occupation of "home duties"

We also found that George registered a "claim for 4" at Running Creek on July 28, 1859 entry number 498 on page 121 of the Mining claims and water rights book.

Also in the scrapbook is a public notice appearing in the Argus newspaper from 1920 re the estate. Mary Ann & George travelled to the Beechworth goldfields via horse & dray.

George Elmer and Mary Ann Jessup had the following children:

i. ALICE PRISCILLA4 ELMER was born on 04 Oct 1856 in Geelong, Victoria, Australia (Mallop Street). She died on 02 Sep 1895 in Beechworth, Victoria, Australia. She married GEORGE HENRY CHAMBERS THOMPSON in 1877 in Victoria, Australia. He was born in 1853 in Sandridge, Victoria, Australia. He died on 27 May 1933 in Victoria, Australia.
ii. GEORGE HENRY ELMER was born on 01 Dec 1857 in Pennyweight Flat, Victoria, Australia. He died on 26 Apr 1936 in Gapstead, Victoria, Australia. He married JESSIE PROCTOR on 21 Oct 1884 in Beechworth, Victoria, Australia. She was born on 20 Aug 1863 in Wangaratta, Victoria, Australia. She died on 11 Aug 1951 in Myrtleford, Victoria, Australia. Notes for George Henry Elmer: The 1903 Electoral Role shows George as a miner living in the Gapsted area.
iii. ELVINA ELMER was born on 17 Nov 1859 in Spring Creek, Victoria, Australia. She died in 1936 in Thornbury, Victoria, Australia. She married JOHN HARDISTY on 06 Feb 1877 in Beechworth, Victoria, Australia. He was born in 1857 in Adelaide, South Australia, Australia. He died on 16 Nov 1923 in Bright, Victoria, Australia. Notes for Elvina Elmer: Elvina signed the Monster petition in 1891 and stated she lived at Stony Creek. This petition was to allow women the right to vote.
iv. ELLEN MARIA ELMER was born on 18 Apr 1861 in Bowman's Forest, Beechworth, Victoria, Australia. She died on 29 Jan 1958 in Hampton, Victoria, Australia. She married (1) WILLIAM BENJAMIN HAMILTON on 17 Apr 1877 in Beechworth, Victoria, Generation 3 (con't) married (1) WILLIAM BENJAMIN HAMILTON on 17 Apr 1877 in Beechworth, Victoria, Australia (Church of England Christ Church). He was born in 1836 in New Jersey, USA. He died on 18 Jan 1886 in Beechworth, Victoria, Australia. She married (2) JAMES MELVILLE JONES in 1891 in Victoria, Australia. He was born in 1847 in Murmungee, Victoria, Australia. He died on 01 Aug 1908 in Murmungee, Victoria, Australia.
v. JOHN PHILIP ELMER was born on 24 Jul 1862 in Bowman's Forest, Beechworth, Victoria, Australia. He died on 03 May 1864 in Bowman's Forest, Beechworth, Victoria, Australia.
vi. MARY ANN ELMER was born on 26 Jul 1864 in Beechworth, Victoria, Australia. She died on 09 Apr 1865 in Bowman's Forest, Beechworth, Victoria, Australia.
JOHN ZEPHANIAH ELMER was born on 16 Sep 1865 in Bowman's Forest, Beechworth, Victoria, Australia. He died on 06 Oct 1944 in Coburg, Victoria, Australia (22 Glenora Ave). He married MARY JANE GRANT on 01 Feb 1888 in Gapsted, Victoria, Australia, daughter of Charles Grant and Grace Down. She was born on 26 May 1868 in Back Creek, Stanley, Victoria, Australia. She died on 09 Dec 1955 in Coburg, Victoria, Australia (St Linus Private Hospital). . . . . . . . . [6]
HORATIUS CHRISTOPHER ELMER was born on 22 May 1867 in Beechworth, Victoria, Australia. He died on 06 Jul 1891 in Beechworth, Victoria, Australia.
ROSETTA CHARLOTTE ELMER was born in 1869 in Beechworth, Victoria, Australia. She died on 10 Apr 1893 in Stoney Creek, Victoria, Australia.
MOSES SAMUEL LAUREL ELMER was born on 24 Dec 1870 in Bowman's Forest, Beechworth, Victoria, Australia. He died on 02 Aug 1942 in Thornbury, Victoria, Australia (St Aidan's Private Hospital). He married FRANCES JONES on 21 Apr 1894 in Beechworth, Victoria, Australia. She was born in 1876 in Myrtleford, Victoria, Australia. She died on 23 Jul 1944 in Newcastle, New South Wales, Australia. . . . . . . . [7]
xi. JAMES BLOOMFIELD ELMER was born on 24 Aug 1872 in Beechworth, Victoria, Australia. He died in 1963 in Thornbury, Victoria, Australia. He married JANE FORREST on 26 Jun 1898 in Beechworth, Victoria, Australia. She was born in 1876 in Beechworth, Victoria, Australia. She died on 14 Apr 1936 in South Yarra, Victoria, Australia. Notes for James Bloomfield Elmer: James and Jane had 5 children
xii. LILY ELIZA ELMER was born on 07 Dec 1874 in Murmungee, Victoria, Australia. She died on 31 May 1946 in Thornbury, Victoria, Australia. She married WILLIAM FRANCIS BEEL on 29 Jan 1896 in Beechworth, Victoria, Australia. He was born on 10 May 1867 in Beechworth, Victoria, Australia (Three Mile). He died on 19 Apr 1948 in Regent, Victoria, Australia. Notes for Lily Eliza Elmer: Lily was known as a kind and gentle woman who always welcome everyone to come and stay
xiii. HARRIETT RACHEL ELMER was born on 13 Dec 1876 in Beechworth, Victoria, Australia. She died on 29 Aug 1902 in Murmungee, Victoria, Australia. She married GEORGE ALFRED JONES on 20 Dec 1893 in Murmungee, Victoria, Australia. He was born on 14 Oct 1873 in Myrtleford, Victoria, Australia (Running Creek). He died on 01 Sep 1944 in Tallangatta, Victoria, Australia. Notes for Harriett Rachel Elmer: Harriet's children were separated when she died. Rosie went to Elvina; Lawrence went to Lilly; Nellie took Maurice and Barbara went o Mary Ann Elmer.

5. HARRIETT3 ELMER (Henry2, Mary Ann1 Prentice) was born on 22 Jul 1838 in Rymer, Suffolk, England (per Christening register). She died on 06 Jan 1862 in East Harling, Norfolk, England.

She married (1) THOMAS TILLOTT RUST on 22 Jun 1861 in East Harling, Norfolk, England. He was born on 03 Apr 1831 in East Harling, Norfolk, England. She married (2) UNKNOWN. on 03 Apr 1831 in East Harling, Norfolk, England. She married (2) UNKNOWN. Notes for Harriett Elmer: See Elmer research folder...it looks as if Harriet had an illegitimate baby born in 1859 and christened in 1862 Marriage Notes: The marriage was witnessed by Zephanial Elner & William Rust, both of whom made their mark.

Unknown and Harriett Elmer had the following children:

THOMAS4 ELENER was born in Jan 1856 in East Harling, Norfolk, England. He died on 08 Oct 1856 in East Harling, Norfolk, England.
SARAH ELENER was born on 13 Jul 1858 in East Harling, Norfolk, England. She married ALBERT LEONARD OAKLEY in Dec 1884 (Guiltcross District Vol 4b Page 668). He was born in Dec 1862 in East Harling, Norfolk, England.
ZEPHANIAH ELENER was born on 05 Nov 1859 in East Harling, Norfolk, England.

Generation 4

6. JOHN ZEPHANIAH4 ELMER (George3, Henry2, Mary Ann1 Prentice) was born on 16 Sep 1865 in Bowman's Forest, Beechworth, Victoria, Australia. He died on 06 Oct 1944 in Coburg, Victoria, Australia (22 Glenora Ave).

He married MARY JANE GRANT on 01 Feb 1888 in Gapsted, Victoria, Australia, daughter of Charles Grant and Grace Down. She was born on 26 May 1868 in Back Creek, Stanley, Victoria, Australia. She died on 09 Dec 1955 in Coburg, Victoria, Australia (St Linus Private Hospital). Notes for John Zephaniah Elmer: At the age of 19, John was a warder at Beechworth prison. Then, he became a railway employee and worked at Foster, East Gippsland between 1911-1919; then at violet Town for 2 years before moving to Bell Street, Coburg in 1921. Ivy Elmer says that John lived in various country towns Their grand daughter, Jean Elmer, remembers John & Mary Jane as being very old fashioned, quiet unassuming people. They did not smoke nor drink alcohol and went to bed very early. John & Mary Jane were strict Methodists. Jean referred to John as granddad. Jean remembers visiting her grand parents and having to be very quiet and well behaved. They were expected to be quiet and not play during the visit. John was a little taller than his son, William. John's grand daugher, Dawn Collins, daughter of Amy Grace Elmer, remembers her grandpa John, he had bushy, snow white hair, and the moustache to match. He spent most of his time in the shed, away from the grandkids (maybe just when the 10 of her lot went). She remembers them as not exactly affectionate, but still loving. The 1903 Electoral Roll shows John Z Elmer living in the town of Cope Cope with an occupation of railway employee On 15 Oct 1938,on page 20S of 58, The Argus newspaper published a regular competition called Cameroddities and Mr Elmer of 153 Bell Street Coburg won 10/6 for his entry of: "Nature's freak. The horseshoe was found embedded when the wood was split. Mr. Elmer, 153 Bell street. Coburg. 10/6."

Their grand daughter, Jean Elmer, remembers John & Mary Jane as being very old fashioned, quiet unassuming people. They did not smoke nor drink alcohol and went to bed very early. John & Mary Jane were strict Methodists. Jean remembers visiting her grand parents and having to be very quiet and well behaved. They were expected to be quiet and not play during the visit. Mary Jane was quite short, about 5' 2" with a small frame. The 1903 Electoral Roll shows Mary Jane Elmer living in the town of Cope Cope with an occupation of "home duties"

John Zephaniah Elmer and Mary Jane Grant had the following children:

AMY GRACE5 ELMER was born on 11 Dec 1889 in Wodonga, Victoria, Australia. She died on 10 Jun 1970 in Dandenong, Victoria, Australia (Dandenong Hospital). She married WILLIAM GLENALBYN SPENCER in 1907 in Wodonga, Victoria, Australia. He was born on 03 Oct 1884 in Inglewood, Queensland, Australia. He died on 02 Feb 1945 in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia (Spencer Street Train Station).
ELSIE JANE ELMER was born in 1890 in Everton, Victoria, Australia. She died on 07 Sep 1890 in Myrtleford, Victoria, Australia.
EDITH MAY ELMER was born on 17 Aug 1891 in Everton, Victoria, Australia. She died in Mar 1971 in Macleod, Victoria, Australia. She married ALFRED STAHLER in 1941 in Victoria, Australia. He was born in 1881 in Weidenau, Germany (based on age at death). He died on 25 Nov 1952 in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia (Prince Henry's Hospital).
HAROLD JOHN ELMER was born on 31 Dec 1893 in Wangaratta, Victoria, Australia. He died on 14 Aug 1967 in Coburg, Victoria, Australia. He married BERTHA FLORENCE PEARSON in 1918 in Port Albert, Victoria, Australia. She was born in 1894. She died in Feb 1982 in Caulfield, Victoria, Australia. Notes for Harold John Elmer: Served in WW1. Harold's army records are attached
WILLIAM CHARLES ELMER, b. 14 Jun 1897, Gapsted, Victoria. . . . . . [8]
IDA PEARL ELMER was born on 03 Jan 1900 in Myrtleford, Victoria, Australia. She died on 16 Sep 1975 in Croydon, Victoria, Australia. She married FRANK HEYDON on 15 May 1926 in Coburg, Victoria, Australia (Methodist Church). He was born on 23 Sep 1902 in Lithgow, New South Wales, Australia. He died on 14 Sep 1970 in Box Hill, Victoria, Australia.
LILIAN ANNE ELMER was born on 15 Apr 1902 in Donald, Victoria, Australia. She died on 24 Feb 1945 in Coburg, Victoria, Australia. She married JOHN JOSEPH TURNER. He was born on 16 Apr 1899 in Berrimal, Victoria, Australia. He died on 12 Apr 1981 in Heidelberg, Victoria, Australia. Notes for Lilian Anne Elmer: Lived at Bell Street, Coburg Lilian & John had two children From: The Argus Mon 26 Feb 1945 TURNER.-On February 24, Lilian Ann Turner, of Williams road. North Coburg, beloved wife of Jack, loving mother of Valda and Nancy, aged 43 years. -At rest. TURNER.-On February 24. Lilian Ann, dearly loved daughter of Mrs. J. Elmer and the late J. Z. Elmer, of Coburg; loved sister of Amy (Mrs. G. Spencer). Edle (Mrs. F. Stahler), Harold, Will, Ida (Mrs. F. Heydon), Fred, Myrtle, and Maud (Mrs. W. Mc Wiggans. -At rest.
FREDERICK GEORGE ELMER was born on 29 Oct 1904 in Glenalbyn, Victoria, Australia. He died on 08 Mar 1982 in Frankston, Victoria, Australia. He married THELMA PATULLO on 23 Dec 1925 in Coburg, Victoria, Australia. She was born on 19 Aug 1906 in Campbellfield, Victoria, Australia. She died in Mar 1973 in Coburg, Generation 4 (con't) 19 Aug 1906 in Campbellfield, Victoria, Australia. She died in Mar 1973 in Coburg, Victoria, Australia. Notes for Frederick George Elmer: Lived at Munro Street, Coburg
MYRTLE IVY ELMER was born on 07 Apr 1907 in Kerang, Victoria, Australia. She died on 07 Jul 1983 in Victoria, Australia. She married JOHN JOSEPH TURNER in 1948 in Coburg, Victoria, Australia. He was born on 16 Apr 1899 in Berrimal, Victoria, Australia. He died on 12 Apr 1981 in Heidelberg, Victoria, Australia. Notes for Myrtle Ivy Elmer: Mrytle married her brother in law, John Turner, after the death of her sister, Lilian.
MAUD SYLVIA ELMER was born on 31 May 1909 in Kerang, Victoria, Australia. She died on 16 Aug 2003 in Victoria, Australia. She married WILLIAM HIBBERT MCWIGGAN on 06 Apr 1935 in Coburg, Victoria, Australia (Methodist Church). He was born on 08 Aug 1905 in Greenock, Renfrewshire, Scotland. He died on 29 Aug 2002 in Victoria, Australia. Notes for Maud Sylvia Elmer: Maud & William had 2 children Surname Given Names Notice Type Date Type Age Other Details Publication Published McWIGGAN Maud Sylvia Death notice 16AUG2003 Death 94 Herald Sun (Melbourne) 19AUG2003 Death Notes:

7. MOSES SAMUEL LAUREL ELMER (George3, Henry2, Mary Ann1 Prentice) was born on 24 Dec 1870 in Bowman's Forest, Beechworth, Victoria, Australia. He died on 02 Aug 1942 in Thornbury, Victoria, Australia (St Aidan's Private Hospital).

He married FRANCES JONES on 21 Apr 1894 in Beechworth, Victoria, Australia. She was born in 1876 in Myrtleford, Victoria, Australia. She died on 23 Jul 1944 in Newcastle, New South Wales, Australia.

Notes for Moses Samuel Laurel Elmer:
Sam's house burnt down and the family went to Myrtleford to Frances' sister, Lizzie Teakel for a
couple of days which was just before Frances ran away to Sydney. When she did, she took Frank
& Syd with her...although Syd was to return later.
Marriage Notes:
Samuel Elmer marriage to Frances Jones 1894
Surname: ELMER
Given Names: Moses Saml Laurel
Event: M
Sex: M
Spouse Surname/Father: JONES
Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Francis
Age:
Age Code:
Birth Place: VICTORIA
Death Place:
Year: 1894
Reg. Number: 3071

Moses Samuel Laurel Elmer and Frances Jones had the following children:

IVY5 ELMER was born on 11 Dec 1892. She died on 26 Mar 1982 in Malvern, Victoria, Australia (Cabrini Hospital).
MYRTLE ELMER was born in 1894 in Beechworth, Victoria, Australia. She died in Jul 1964 in Ormond, Victoria, Australia.
FRANCIS LAURAL ELMER was born in 1898 in Beechworth, Victoria, Australia. He died in 1975 in Adelaide, South Australia, Australia. iv. SYDNEY LANCELOT ELMER was born in 1900 in Beechworth, Victoria, Australia. He died in Feb 1929 in Seymour, Victoria, Australia. Notes for Sydney Lancelot Elmer: HMS Tingarra

8. WILLIAM CHARLES ELMER was born on 14 Jun 1897 in Gapsted, Victoria, Australia. He died on 08 Apr 1946 in Parkville, Victoria, Australia (Royal Melbourne Hospital).

He married OLIVIA MAUDE JONES on 08 Nov 1919 in Northcote, Victoria, Australia (Residence of Mrs Jones, 68 St David's Street), daughter of William James Jones and Harriet Louisa Rawlings. She was born on 22 Nov 1889 in North Carlton, Victoria, Australia (249 Station Street). She died on 15 Sep 1961 in Oakleigh, Victoria, Australia (57 Westgarth Street). Mp>Notes for William Charles Elmer: William lived at 17 Flinders Street, Northcote when Jean was born and then later moved to 35 Pender Street, Preston about July 1925. William was a lay preacher and a poet. In the church he was a leader of the young people, apparently. He was also a relief minister in the district when any of the ministers were unavailable.

A copy of his poem, "Miss Nancy" is attached in the scrapbook. He was noted as having an occupation of a clerk on both the birth certificate and marriage certificates of his daughter, Jean Elmer. When he died in 1946, he was an Inspector of Post Offices according to his daughter, Jean having started after the family moved to Foster in 1911 before he was transferred to Melbourne to continue his studies. William started at the Post Office in Foster when he was 13yo. Jean Elmer, my grandmother, remembers him as a softly spoken man who did not talk much but listened well; and who was always writing and reading. William had A copy of William's signature is attached in the scrapbook. This signature was "lifted" from his marriage certificate.

A copy of the article appearing in "The Argus" newspaper notifying the exam results in 1916 is attached in the scrapbook. William came in at No 26. His daughter, Jean, says that he sat for his final exam in 1919 just 3 weeks after his marriage. jean says that he also studied psychology.

William played the piano and many a Sunday night was spent singing around the pianola with family & friends

Jean remembers that her dad cut up an old broom handle and put them around the edge of the dining table to play table cricket with a table tennis ball and a small bat. William would listen to the cricket on the wireless before TV The family used to rent a holiday house during until 1940. with many Christmas holidays taken at Black Rock and in the Dandenongs during winter. Jean also remembers that her father rode his bicycle in 1936/1937 to Shepparton for his annual holidays to visit his sister, Amy. William never owned a car

The depression never really affected the family because of William's job. Jean remembers William as a gentle, reserved man. He had blue eyes and light brown hair. He was about 5' 6" maybe 5' 7". William was not interested in football at all. Being a strict Methodist, he neither drank alcohol nor smoked. One occassion, when Jean swore (she said "blast") after work one night, William just looked at her and quietly asked if she felt better now.

William and Olivia had 1 or more children and 1 or more grandchildren.

Who is Edward Prentice and who are his Parents?

Although only an educated guess for now, Edward Prentice might be a son of John Prentice and Sarah Gates who are #4 in our Winter 2000 article entitled Prentices of Thetford, East Wretham, Norfolk, England

They had a son (#4vii) whose name is not presently known and who was b. in he 1750s, d. before 1783 having married Eleanor, Ann's mother's, and who was living in Brandon that year and died in 1792 leaving letters of administration.

If you have any information about the folks mentioned in this article, please contact us at dewald@prenticenet.com.

Fn. l: Note that there is only a 10 year age difference between the father, James, and the 2 sons. Ian Prentice advises that his original database on which the supposed father, John, b. 1787, was lodged was unfortunately lost when his computer crashed not long ago. The relationship between the father and sons needs to be clarified.


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