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Harry Prentice of Needham Market, England
By Linus Joseph Dewald Jr., Editor
Winter 2003 and Revised 24 Mar 2011

Update of 24 Mar 2011: Although we have conflicting information, James Prentice may be the James Prentice who is #5i and 5.1 in our Spring 2001 article entitled John Prentice of Needham, Suffolk, England .

1. James Prentice was b. c. 1801 in Needham, Suffolk, England (per 1851 and 1861 census. He appears in the 1841 census in Barking, Suffolk, and in the 1851, 1861, 1871 and 1881 census in Needham Market, Suffolk, with his wife and family. Not in 1891 census. At the time of the marriage of his son Harry/Henry in 1866, his occupation was recorded as a Brickmaker.

He m. Martha Hearn on 12 May 1824 at Anglican Church in Barking, Suffolk (per David Prentice, email, 13 Jan 2010). She was bap. 29 Jan 1801, Stowmarket, Suffolk, and is the dau. of Edward Hearns and MarCross(?) (per David Prentice, above).

James' marriage to Martha Hearn apparently was followed by a later marriage to Matilda who was b. c. 1809, Stow, Suffolk, Suffolk, and who appars with him the the 1851 and later census records. (See Fn. 1 ). In the 1871 Needham Market census James and Matilda are living on Church Lane next door to their son and his wife, Harry and Eliza. The census records and the IGI show the following children b. to James and Martha and/or Matilda in Needham:

Robert Prentice, b. 24 Aug 1825, Needham, Suffolk, England, His birth is recorded in the Needham Market Congregationsl Church Christening Register, the original of which is held at the Suffolk Records Office, Ipswich, Suffolk (per David Pentice, email, 13 Jan 2010). David d. before the 1901 census as his wife is called a widow. He may be the Robert Prentice who d. Mar 1892 - Bosmere 4a 699. Robert m. Eliza Balls, b. Sep 1841 - Bosmere 12 295. They appear in the 1871, 1881 (on Church Lane, Barking, Suffolk, living next to his parents, James and Matilda) and 1891 census in Needham, Suffolk, and she appears in the 1901 Needham Market census, with their children:
1. Emily Matilda Prentice, b. c. 1861. Not home in 1881.
2. Elizabeth, b. c. 1862. Not home in 1881.
3. Henry William Prentice, b. c. 1867. He appears in the 1891 census in Needham Market, Suffolk, with his wife, Sarah Jane Pick: Jun 1889 - Chelmsford 4a 473 They are not in the 1901 census. Daughter, per 1891 census:
  1. Emily Eiza Prentice, b. Mar 1891 - Bosmere 4a 826.
4. Ernest Edward Prentice, b. c. 1872. At home in 1891. Not in 1901 census.
5. Robert Thomas Prentice, b. Dec 1873 - Bosmere 4a 564. At home in 1891 and 1901.
6. Louis Daniel Prentice, b. c. 1876. At home in 1891. In 1901 census in Needham Market with his wife, Emma Bass, b. 1872, Creeting St. Mary per 1901 census. Son:
  1. Albert Prentice, b. c. 1901.
7. Oliver Prentice, b. c. 1880. At home in 1891 and 1901.
8. Frederick William Prentice, b. c. 1884. At home in 1891 and 1901.
Also living with the family in 1891 was Kate V. Prentice, b. Jun 1887 - Bosmere 4a 802 and called a graddaughter in the 1891 census but a daughter in the 1901 census.
Eliza Prentice, b. 27 May 1827 and d. 25 May 1828, Needham (per David Prentice, abovee, and Burial Index)
Matilda Prentice, b. 19 Feb 1829, Needham (per and David Prentice, above, 1841 census)
Elizabeth Prentice, b. 11 Jan 1831, Needham, Suffolk (per IGI and 1841 census)
Susan Prentice, b. 1 Jul 1833, Needham, Suffolk (per IGI and 1841 census)).
Emiley/Emily/Amelia Prentice, b. 17 May 1835, Needham, Suffolk (per IGI).
Hannah Prentice, b. 25 Mar 1837, Needham, Suffolk (per IGI and 1841 census)
Thomas Prentice, b. c. 1839, Needham, Suffolk (per 1841 & 1861 census). At home in 1861. Not in 1871 and later census records.
Charles Prentice, b. Sep 1840 (per 1841 census and Beosmere 12 288) or c. 1844, Needham, Suffolk (per 1861 census). For his family, see our Summer 2005 article about Charles Prentice of Needham .
William Prentice, b. c. 1844, Needham Market, Suffolk, England . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . [2]
Harry Prentice, b. 18 May 1846, Needham Market, Suffolk. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . [3]

2. William William Prentice, b. c. 1844, Needham Market, Suffolk, England, Mason's Laborer, appears in the 1881 and 1891 Fulham, London census living in 1881 at 12 Suffolk Street, with his wife and family.

He m. Tryphena Gray in Jun 1865 - St Geo Han Sq 1a 468, b. c. 1846, St. George, Hanover Sq., Middlesex. She was b. Mar 1845 - St Geo Han Sq 1 14. Children:

Harry William Prentice, b. c. 1866, St. George, Hanover Sq., Middlesex. At home in Fulham, London in 1881 census. Not in 1891 census.
Ada Prentice, b. Sep 1867, Kensington 1a 194
Hannah Prentice. b. c. 1870, Fulham, Middlesex. At home in Fulham, London in 1881 census.Not in 1891 census.
Louisa Prentice, b. c. 1872, Fulham, Middlesex. At home in Fulham, London in 1881 census. See below.
Alice Prentice, b. c. 1877, Fulham, Middlesex. At home in Fulham, London in 1881 and 1891 census.
Robert Prentice, b. c. 1880, Fulham, Middlesex. At home in Fulham, London in 1881 and 1891 census. Not in 1901 census.
John Prentice b. c.1882, Fulham.
Mark Prentice, b. 1887 per 1891 census.

The parents of the following children are not shown in the 1901 census. It is unclear whether William and Truphena are the parents of the following children who were living together in 1901 at 7 Queensland Road, Islington, London:

Louisa Prentice, b. 1873, Chelsea, London. See above.
John Prentice, b. 1883, Fulham, London. At home in Fulham in 1891 census.
Emily Prentice, b. 1883, Fulham, London.
Charles Prentice, b. 1885, Fulham, London.
William Prentice, b. 1887, Fulham, London.
Frank Prentice, b. 1887, Fulham, London. At home in Fulham in 1891 census.
Thomas Prentice, b. 1890, Fulham, London.
Henry Prentice, b. 1891, Fulham, London.
Alfred Prentice, b. 1899, Fulham, London.

3. Harry Prentice was b. 18 May 1846, Needham Market, Suffolk, England (per David Prentice, email, 14 Jan 2010 citing Birth Cretificate) and is shown in the 1861 census as the son of James and Matilda. Harry appears in the 1881 census as a Brickmaker living in Brick Kiln Cottages, Creeting St. Mary, Suffolk, England, with his wife, Eliza. 1891 census in St. Matthew, All Saints, Ipswich, Suffolk. The 1901 census shows them living at 189 Bramford Lane, Ipswich

Harry m. Eliza Baker on 10 Nov 1866, Parish of Needham Market, Suffolk1848 Creeting St. Mary, Suffolk, England. She was b. 4 May 1850, , Creeting All Saints. She was the dau. of John and Susan Baker who are shown in the 1861 census as having a daughter named Eliza Baker, b. c. 1850 in Needham, and no longer at home in 1871. John Baker is shown as a Labourer on the marriage record of his daughter, Eliza (per David Prentice, email, 13 Jan 2010

Children of Harry and Elizaper 1881 census:

Harry "Henry" Baker (Stepson), b. 9 Aug 1866, Needham Market, Suffolk. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . [4]
William Prentice, b. c. 1869, Needham Mkt, Suffolk. At home in 1871 and 1881. A lodger in Lakenham, Norfolk, in the 1891 census. It is unclear whether he is the William Prentice shown in the 1901 census in Ditchingham, Norfolk, as b. c. 1869, Needham Market, with his wife, Emily Durant (m. Dec 1892 - Hoxne 4a 634), b. Dec 1870 - Hosne 4a 634, and children:
1. Arthur Prentice, b. c. 1894, Norwich, Norfolk. At home in Ditchingham in 1901.
2. Daisy M. Prentice, b. c. 1897, Pulham, St. Mary, Norfolk. At home in Ditchingham in 1901.
3. Victor H. Prentice, b. c. 1900, Ditchingham. At home in Ditchingham in 1901.
Eliza Prentice (Elisa in Birth Index but Eliza in census records), b. Mar 1869 - Bosmere 4a 606, Suffolk. At home in 1881
Emily SusanPrentice, b. Sep 1871 - Bosmere 4a 549, Needham Mkt, Suffolk. At home in 1881
Elizabeth Prentice, b. Dec 1872 - Bosmere 4a 607, Needham Mkt., Suffolk. At home in 1881
Annie Prentice, b. Jun 1875 - Bosmere 4a 616, Needham Mkt, Suffolk. At home in 1881
Florence Prentice, b. Sep 1876 - Bisnere 4a 622, Needham Mkt, Suffolk. At home in 1881
Thomas Prentice, b. c. 1879, Creeting St. Mary, Suffolk, and d. 27 May 1958, Barham, Suffolk. At home in 1881 and 1891. He is David Prentice's grandfather. Thomas moved to Ditchingham in the early 20th century to work in the local maltings which in 2010 are still standing although badly damaged by fire and awaiting conversion to appartments. He m. Sarah Anne Jemima Steward 13 Apr 1903 at The Tacket Street Meeting House, Ipswich. This building remains standing in 2010 and in 2010 was a United Reform church.
Charles Prentice, b. c. 1881, Creeting St Mary, Suffolk. At home in 1881 and 1891. 1881 census at 189 Bramford Lane, Ipswich.
Alfred Stanley Prentice, b. Sep 1890 - Ipswich 4a 808. At home (189 Bramford Lane, Ipswich) in 1891 & 1901 census. 1901 Census also shows a grandson called - William Prentice born 1900 Dec Ipswich 4a 947 Do not know who the parents are

4. Harry Baker (later called Henry Baker), b. 9 Aug 1866, Needham Market, Suffolk. His birth record identifies his mother as Eliza Baker but does not name a father. David Prentice's email of 14 Jan 2010 related that family legend has it that Harry was Eliza's illegitimate son and that Eliza was quite literally "left standing at the church" when Harry Baker's real father failed to turn up for the wedding.

Harry m. Alice Mary Farrow who was b. 1868, Ipswich. Children (per Rosemary Osmond, email, 10 and 166 Apr 2005, and 1901 Ipswich census):

Herbet Prentice, b. c. 1889, Ipswich.
Harry Prentice. b. c. 1891, Ipswich.
Alice Prentice, b. c. 1893, Ipswich. Died when struck by lightening.
Violet Baker Prentice, b. 1894, Ipswich. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . [5}
Lily Prentice, b. c. 1896, Ipswich.
Stanley Prentice, b. after 1901.
Ivy Prentice, b. after 1901.
(son) Pentice, b. after 1901. Died young.
(son) Prentice, b. after 1901. Died young.

5. Violet Baker Prentice, b. 1896, Ipswich. She m. Sydney Barker who was b. 1885, Norwich. Children (per Rosemary Osmond, email, 10 Apr 2005):

Sydney Barker
Violet Barker
Phyllis Barker. She m. Mr. Osmand. Daugher:
1. Rosemary Osmand
Gerald Barker
Patrick Barker

Who are James Prentice's Parents?

The IGI does not have James Prentice, b. c. 1801, Needham, in its database. We do, however, have some possible clues.

James may be a brother to Harriett Prentice who was b. c. 1801 in Needham. One is tempted to think that that perhaps James named a son "Harry" after a possible sister, "Harriett." Further investigation is needed.
James may be a descendant of John Prentice of Needham who had children, one of whom was James Prentice, b. 18 Feb 1727, who lived in Great Bricett which is only about 5 miles SW of Needham (see map ). We are not showing that he had a son, James, b. c. 1801, but the 1727 James may have had other brothers who might have named a son, "James."

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Footnote 1: Malcolm Davidson's email of 3 Mar 2010 suggests the possibility that the James Prentice who m. Martha Hearn is a different James Prentice from the James Prentice who later m. Matilda. It is a suggestion worth additional investigation. He also indicates he has not located any death record for Martha Hearn.

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